| Host_Mary_Shep: Welcome to the National Invisible Chronic Illness
Awareness Week seminar. My name is Mary (a.k.a. "Shep"
to many of you), and I'll be your host for this hour. We will
open in prayer; then our guest will present the topic, after which
there will be a question and answer period.
Rosalind is passionate about giving people the tools they
need to thrive in their work while living with chronic illness.
In addition to over 30 years of personal experience living
with auto immune chronic illnesses, including multiple sclerosis
and ulcerative colitis, Rosalind has 30 years of experience
working. She has held management positions in small businesses
and Fortune 500 companies. Ten years ago, she founded her own,
very successful executive coaching business. Over the past decade,
Rosalind has coached several hundred people. When she launched
cicoach.com in 2003, she focused her efforts on working with
people living with chronic illness who want to stay successfully
employed in the workplace.
A nationally recognized expert, Rosalind has published her
own articles in dozens of Disease Organization and Health Journals.
She has also been quoted in The Wall Street Journal and The
Boston Globe and has been heard on National ABC Radio, Boston
Business Radio and Heathtalk.com, to name a few.
Rosalind holds a B.S. in Communications and an M.Ed. from Boston
University, is a certified mediator, a graduate of Corporate
Coach University. You can get her free, monthly e-Newsletter,
Out in Front.
Her Topic today is: Don't BE Invisible: Workplace Success with
INVISIBLE Chronic Illness. Now, It is my pleasure to introduce
Rosalind Joffe! Rosalind, may the Lord bless you as you share
with us today!
Rosalind_Joffe: Hi all. Boy, technology -- we love it and we
hate it. Glad to be here, though. And so glad you could be here
with me.
I've lived with invisible and chronic illnesses for over 30
years. In the beginning, the multiple sclerosis wasn't so bad
- I had flares that would subside and I'd feel almost normal
again. Do you know what I mean? I can see you shaking your heads.
With surgery to remove the colon and new meds for the MS,
my health gradually improved - and today I look and feel younger
than I have in 30 years.
Through all this, I've found that working is the one thing
that can get me out of bed and keep me going, even on my worst
days. I've also learned that it's one of the most difficult
things to succeed in. I saw that there are so few resources
out there to give people the tools they need to be successful
in the workplace. That's why I started my business, c (for chronic)
i (for illness) -- cicoach.com.
In the amount of time we have, we can cover what I call the
fundamentals of this challenging "game which is Living
with Chronic Illness. It's a game many of us play alone -- but,
in fact, it's best when you can make it a team sport. We all
need all the help you can get. If I don't get to your question
or don't answer it fully, feel free to email me at Rosalind@cicoach.com.
I'll do the best I can to get back to you in a timely fashion
I'm not sure if I'm going too fast or slow -- and I've lost
some of the "special effects" -- like bolding -- but
I hope you can get my feelings of emphasis as I share my thoughts.
That's why today, we're going to focus on:
? Recognizing your choices and making a choice that reflects
your intentions
? Why not to disclose - the CONS
? Why to disclose - the PROS
? The message you want to create - for disclosure and on-going
communication
The Big Message I want you to leave with is that living with
invisible illness means that other people are unaware of your
experience unless you talk about it. This can, if you let it,
lead to becoming under-employed (do you know what that means?)
and/or isolated from others. Think on it, has this happened
to you?
Let me share a story. My client, Linda, wanted a more flexible
work schedule. Linda (not her real name), lives with chronic
fatigue syndrome and had asked her boss to work workday with
one virtual day a week. Other people in her department have
this arrangement. Now, Linda's boss doesn't know that she has
CFDS. So we talked about the pros and cons of this for her.
I call it the "scarlet letter" CI - it can lead you
to feel as if you've been branded -- and you never make a move
again without it there. You can feel like you've lost your privacy
(e.g., "Are you feeling badly today, Sally? You seem really
down.") If all that's true, why would anyone disclose?
That's easy. If disabling symptoms get in the way of delivering
your top performance, you're either going to lose your job or
get a demotion if you don't disclose.
In Linda's case, talking about it:
? Allows her to seek what she needs to get your job done properly.
? Prevents others from making incorrect assumptions that are
even more harmful to her reputation, such as she lacks motivation
or is incapable.
? It can decrease her isolation from others
ASK yourself , what do you think Linda should do? Well, Linda
asked for the flexible scheduling and her boss said, "Frankly,
I could make the adjustment but I don't really believe there's
a good reason. You look fine, and I have a hard time believing
that you're sick. Are you upset about anything in your personal
life?"
How horrible, right? It's easy to think he's a miserable person.
BUT,when Linda and I spoke about what happened in her meeting,
she realized that she'd made some critical mistakes in how she
presented the information. She was so filled with anxiety that
she forget to think about crafting her message. You see, Linda
(we all) have to craft these as we would any message that is
important. Consider these points:
1. Your words and behavior set the tone. If you are embarrassed
or ashamed, the other person will pick up on these feelings
and respond accordingly. Most people are more than willing to
trust that you are as confident as you say you are.
2. You can decide what you want to communicate. Keep the message
simple and focus primarily on how this affects you, rather than
on how you feel. Make it clear that you aren't saying this to
dump your problems on another but because you want to be upfront
about how you are taking care of the situation.
3. You have the right to decide who needs to know this. If you
want this to be open information, make it clear. But, if you
want to control who knows about your CI, then make sure that
the person you are telling understands that this is private
and you will tell people as you think it necessary.
Does anything about this not make sense to you?
When she went back and spoke with her boss again, Linda got
the flexible
scheduling she needed. And she's feeling more confident about
getting her work done!
We know that it doesn't always turn out this way - but you
can bet that it's a more likely outcome than not saying anything.
A FUNDAMENTAL element of success here is in your interpersonal,
what we often call communications, skills. These are skills
that you can develop - either by studying it or using someone
else to help you, such as a coach. I think, that like in any
"game", it's best to find someone who knows all the
aspects of the game - living with unpredictable chronic illness,
being in a challenging job and how to coach people to develop
the skills they need.
I'm ready for your questions -- so fire away!
Lynnette: I'm unable to drive any longer, so have been seeking
a job I could work from home for a long time. I have excellent
office skills, but all I seem to be able to find are scams.
Where can you find "real" jobs working from home,
such as transcription or things like that?
Rosalind_Joffe: Lynette - this is a great question because
it comes up so often. I'm not sure what you mean about scams,
though. I've had clients look for these kinds of jobs through
Monster.com or Craig's list. I also think that using your own
"network" of people you know can be very useful.
Carol: Usually the "work From Home Jobs" do ask for
money. Would love to find one that is really "free"
Rosalind_Joffe: Oh, you mean the internet "scam"
appeals -- work from home and make millions? No, I don't mean
those. But there are jobs, real jobs, that you can do virtually.
I know, for instance, that I use a virtual assistant. She doesn't
have a chronic illness but everything she does is from her home.
patty123: I find, even when I disclose in a selfless tactful
way, people just don't believe me because they can't see it.
How do you get them to just have faith and trust what you say
is true? (I had support for visible illnesses, but not invisible
ones). What do you suggest?
Rosalind_Joffe: Boy, Patty, I know that can be tough. So, my
first question is WHO are you explaining this to? Are these
people who know that you're not someone who would make something
up or use something as an excuse? If people already know you,
stick to how this affects you. You can't do more than that.
My second question is: HOW do you know they don't "believe"
you? What are you looking for?
Angie: How did "Linda" manage to get her boss to
see that she really had an invisible illness? And is it ever
necessary to show medical evidence?
Rosalind_Joffe: What a great question, Angie. In Linda's case,
she didn't need medical evidence because she and her boss had
"history" and he knew that she wouldn't make this
up. But I've certainly seen plenty of situations where a supervisor
asks for some documentation. And, that's tough. Especially with
illnesses that doctors don't have objective evidence for - so
stick to the way it's affecting you -- and make sure your doctor
can describe that. It's called functionality.
Connie: What if you work part time? Do you have the same "rights"
as a full time worker when it comes to asking for help due to
your health issues?
Rosalind_Joffe: Boy, another great question. "Rights"
-- that's a big sticky mess. It really all depends on your employer
-- and your "contract" as a part time worker. If you're
permanent, part time, usually the "rights" are the
same. But then we have to look at what "rights" are
you referring to? An employer doesn't HAVE to give accommodations
(my opinion as I interpret the ADA).
Carol: Once a boss knows you are ill, how do you prevent them
from trying to subtly work at getting rid of you?
Rosalind_Joffe: Carol -- this is a toughie. What I believe
is that the only thing you can control is your own behavior.
The best way to prevent someone from trying to get rid of you
is to make sure you can do this job that you've been hired to
do. If you can't, no matter how nice a person is, they're likely
going to want you leave, at some point. We're opening pandora's
box with this question.
PCMoore: When you have to drop out so many times for being
"sick" they just think you are blowing work off or
even if they believe, they are getting fed up with so many days
missed. What do you say when you've worn out., "I'm sick"?
Rosalind_Joffe: It's hard to give you a stock answer because
I don't know the situation -- your work environment , your boss
or you. I think you have to see this almost as your public relations
mission - you have to sell, in the best sense of the word, yourself.
Demonstrate when you are there that you are committed 100% -
It's not easy - if you're sick frequently, there's a reason
and it's hard to be upbeat when you're back. On the other hand,
not going back to a job can be horribly demoralizing. When I
coach people, I work with them to keep their intention to keep
working - front and center.
standing: Are you allowed to refuse to undertake certain tasks
in the work place as a result of your medical condition? If
so, will your position become untenable? I live in the UK, therefore
laws will be different.
Rosalind_Joffe: In the US, we have what's called the ADA --
American Disabilities ACT -- and that is some protection but
particularly for chronic illness, it's all pretty sketchy and
hard to prove. It all depends on whether you can DO your job
in total -- and if there are some tasks that someone else can
do, then I've found that most employers, when approached properly
and with solid ideas, will try to make things works. Most employers
would always prefer to keep a good employee than to try to hire
someone new. That's why you want to make things work while you're
still doing a good job-- and haven't hurt your reputation.
faith: I think if you go to school you can learn to do medical
transcripts from home too.
Rosalind_Joffe: Yes, that's true, too. There are more and more
jobs that can be done virtually. And some of them are jobs that
might even be close to home. Law or medical offices that need
secretarial work but you don't have to be on site.
Connie: If I may share a resource, please visit DOUA (http://www.doua.org)
it is a free online service for people with any type of disability
to help them work online. I am a proud mentor there.
Rosalind_Joffe: Yes - Connie - that's right. I almost forgot.
By the way, I have lots of free resources like this on my website,
www.cicoach.com. I offer a free newsletter as well. Also I have
a blog, www.KeepWorkingGIrlfriend.com with resources and interesting
posts.
Also - I've created 2 limited offers available to those who
participate in this class -
** For the month of September only, you can sign up for a free
call with me, on "Talking about your chronic illness at
work" during the month of September.
** And, you'll get a 10% when you sign up for my coaching and
a free copy of my book (coming out in early 2008).
cheryl: This just happened to me. I was sick all the time for
two years - six surgeries and on med leave three times. The
last time I knew I was still to sick to work I was the only
one in my office, so every time I was out I would be that much
more behind, I went to talk to them after my last med leave
and they suggested I go ahead and put in for my SSI, so I did
and was denied. I worked for local government for ten years
and now I am fighting to get my SSI. I am pretty depressed and
angry because its like I am too sick to work but not sick enough
to get help. .I have an attorney now, but I feel incredibly
helpless at this point
Rosalind_Joffe: Cheryl, that's a really tough place to be.
I've been on a panel advising social security trying to make
the standards more realistic. I've seen that people get even
more depressed on social security - the benefits are so low
and not doing anything can be really demoralizing.
Carol: I took Medical Billing and Claims at home through PCDI
to home I really needed hospital experience for certain length
of time? Also took Medical Transcription but did need to quit
because of 'back surgery' but that works the same, do not know
if any are different? Have not found any thing different, anyway?
Rosalind_Joffe: Carol, I think what you're saying is that you
didn't have the right background to get the job you trained
for. It can easily feel like you've wasted a lot of time and
energy and the reality is that it isn't easy to find a job you
can do. Keep at it, though. It's worth it.
Host_Mary_Shep: We are about out of time, so let's have Rosalind
finish up this last question and then I will have a few closing
announcements.
Rosalind_Joffe: Thanks to all of you for joining me here today.
Please, visit my website and look at the free resources -- and
sign up for the newsletter. AND, the BLOG - it's really fun
- www.KeepWorkingGirlfriend.com. The book will be out early
2008. I wish you all success in all that you do. Rosalind
Host_Mary_Shep: Our hour is now over; thank you, Rosalind for
sharing your wonderful presentation and for answering some very
good questions.
Rosalind_Joffe: I can't remember if I said this or not :
I've created 2 limited offers available to those who participate
in this class -
** For the month of September only, you can sign up for a free
call with me, on "Talking about your chronic illness at
work" during the month of September.
** And, you'll get a 10% when you sign up for my coaching and
a free copy of my book (coming out in early 2008).
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