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Host_Mary_Shep --- Welcome to the National Invisible Chronic
Illness Awareness Week seminar. My name is Mary (a.k.a. "shep"
to many of you), and I'll be your host for this hour. We will
open in prayer; then our guest will present the topic, after
which there will be a question and answer period, then I will
close in prayer. If you have a question or a comment for either
me or the speaker, please use the Ask box. You may do this during
the talks, as they will not show on the screen to other viewers.
Later, during Question and Answer time, the speaker will respond
to questions, as time permits. Please do not use the Send box
during the seminar. Thank you.
Host_Mary_Shep --- Lisa Copen is the founder and executive director
of Rest Ministries, Inc., an organization for people who live
with chronic illness or pain which was incorporated in 1998.
She is editor of Hopekeepers Magazine which she began in 2004.
Rest Ministries is the sponsor of National Invisible Chronic
Illness Awareness Week.
Despite being diagnosed with rheumatoid arthritis is 1993,
at the age of 24, she's never let it hold her back. In fact,
rather than getting depressed about her diagnosis, she eagerly
anticipated how God was going to use it! Her illness has continued
to be active and degenerative and joint replacements are in
her near future. But she feels blessed to have discovered God's
purpose in the pain by reaching out to others who are hurting,
as well as providing tools for churches who want to increase
their awareness of chronic illness.
She has authored about eight books including, Beyond Casseroles:
505 Ways to Encourage a Chronically Ill Friend (2005), Why Can't
I Make People Understand? Discovering the validation those with
chronic illness seek and why (2004), Mosaic Moments: Devotionals
for the chronically ill (2002) and materials for churches like
Bible studies and support group materials.
She lives with her husband and 4-year old son in San Diego,
Ca. In her spare time she is working on a Christian "mom
lit" book and has began a special scrapbook option for
those who have adopted children called Amusement Parts. But
before we begin, let's ask the Lord's blessing upon our time
and our speaker.
Father, we thank you for being a loving and caring Father.
We trust that this day, you have gathered those who you wanted
to be here – no accidents, just your infinite plan.
We pray for those who are hurting today Lord, those who hurt
physically, emotionally and spiritually. Comfort them as they
come to hear words of encouragement and love. Bless our speaker
today Lord, guide the words that are spoken so that when we
are done here, we will know that we have been in Your Presence.
Give us open hearts and ears to hear, comfort where there is
pain, and most of all, touch our hearts with Your Hand and fill
us with Your Love. In Jesus precious name we pray, Amen.
GUEST_LisaCopen --- Thank you, Mary... And thanks to All of
you who have gone to so much work to make this week happen.
I Really could not have done it without you--especially all
of these chat room technicalities.
Thank you so much. I'd like to introduce you to another special
guest who is joining us. Christine is the founder of www.butyoudontlooksick.com
. I asked her to join me because she has really done a lot of
patient advocacy for the invisible illness factor. She is also
a relatively new wife and is actually holding her new baby with
one arm today and trying to type with the other. I remember
doing this and the challenge! She is listed in the room as bydls.
Welcome Christine!
[bydls] Thank you Lisa for inviting me!
GUEST_LisaCopen --- We're just kind of kicking things off this
morning to let people become familiar w/ the chatroom, etc.
I am impressed that ya'll made it in (myself included.) I'd
like to ask Christine some questions and Christine... if it's
too much typing just holler!
[bydls] No Problem!
GUEST_LisaCopen --- There has been some people online, etc.
(and last year on the radio) who made fun of the fact that people
with illnesses who are invisible think they "need one more
week." That acknowledging invisible illness is kind of
a "joke" because living with a visible illness is
hard too. That we should be grateful our illnesses Are invisible.
[bydls] I know- I get that often.
GUEST_LisaCopen --- What led you to feel like invisible illness
was a particular cause to bring more light to, rather than focusing
your efforts on your own illness, lupus, Cfs and others, like
most people tend to?
[bydls] especially when parking in a handicap spot, or when
asking for help lifting or carrying.... it's as if hey do not
"believe" your pain is real. I think that if we act
collectively (all invisible illnesses) as a group- we can reach
more people, and bring a greater awareness.
GUEST_LisaCopen --- I agree. With my ministry I saw the same
emotions and spiritual issues among everyone, regardless of
their illness.
[bydls] The more people who understand, that just because
you don't see something doesn't make it not real- the more it
benefits everyone. Many of our emotional issues connected to
our illnesses are the same. We all feel the same hurt, isolation,
depression, etc
GUEST_LisaCopen --- Yes, in fact some people who were editors
and posting stuff about invisible illness wrote to me and said,
"I didn't even think about it, but I have diabetes pretty
badly which is an invisible illness." Being able to share
some of the things we experience with others can help us know
that we aren't so alone.
I'd like to open it up for a question. So just blurt out an
answer-
[bydls] Also, through running my website and message boards,
I found that not only the emotional issues... but health issues
like doctors, medications, insurance... etc were the same regardless
of illness.
GUEST_LisaCopen --- Can You Share an experience in 1-2 sentences
about when you felt like the invisibility of your illness caused
you some kind of emotional pain? Anyone can answer...
[bydls] many medications, treatments etc are used for many
illnesses.. we can offer tips to help each other.
[Clarisse] After surgery I needed to use the electric wheelchair
at a store. They looked at me as though I were only lazy.
[bydls] Just yesterday, when I couldn't push the baby stroller
up a hill in the park.... I got looked at with weird faces....
I felt as though they were looking at me as if I was a bad mother-
even though I knew I was in pain and exhausted
[psalm121] when I didn't need my w/c 24/7 every thought I
was "cured" even though I still had many problems...
it got frustrating trying to explain I was "still sick"
[cj(Q)] What do you do when those you talk to (church especially)
don't seem interested at all in invisible illness challenges?
[bydls(A)] I have 2 options. I either choose to spend my heart
and energy on the people who do seem interested and care. or
2) I try new and innovative ways to get through to them. That
is why I wrote "the spoon theory" to try to reach
people who wouldn't normally understand.
[PCMoore(Q)] Not being able to play with my kids when I'm hurting
causes a lot of emotional pain
GUEST_LisaCopen(A) --- Yes! I try not to say "Mommy is
tired" too often. I don't know if it's better to say "tired"
or "has an owie all over" so I try to vary my explanations/
[CC_--] i also was made fun of in walmart riding a cart
GUEST_LisaCopen --- Does having others who you are able to
share your hurts with help? Do you? Or do you tend to keep it
inside?
[JannyW] Cc that's terrible!
[PCMoore(Q)] My problem is I have not gotten a diagnosis. Many
MD's and nobody can figure it out yet..it's hard to tell people
I'm sick and not have something to explain it..Any ideas on
this?
[bydls(A)] Well, first of good luck in your quest for answers.
Sometimes it takes years unfortunately. I also want to say that
I think we are too focused on getting the "name" or
diagnosis right- like we need that to get the right care.
Try to focus on treating the symptoms and not worry so much
about having the right "title".
In the past when facing the "nameless" illness issue-
i would just respond... they are looking into X-- lupus, cfs,
etc
[sleepingbeauty] my sister and i both have Cfs and sometimes
its harder because we know exactly what each other are going
through and sometimes one of us is sicker than the other
GUEST_LisaCopen --- A lot of times it's really hard to say
anything to the person making the comment or the "look"
-- or it's just inappropriate or not worth it. But it can be
really helpful to have Someone to share your experience with
and how you felt about it.
[Sabine] Yes, yes, and yes, Lisa. I only share with family
and close friends and through my blog.
[LRae] People don't see my chronic illness as a struggle and
often ask, "what do you do All day?"
[p.j] it was embarrassing when neighbor brought over 5 ups
bags of meds last week the ups guy had to leave w someone- looked
like a was a drug dealer
[Lynnette(C)] Even the doctors treat me differently if I go
in on a day when my pain is more "visible" (I am more
pale, it shows more on my face, etc).
[new] I hate when people say I must be healthy because I have
nice color in my cheeks....that actually means I am flaring.
[bydls] Sometimes I think we spend so much energy on "what
others think of our illness"... it is good to have groups
and forums like this to share experiences and feeling with those
who understand.
Host_Mary_Shep --- Please refrain from using the Send box --
please use the Ask box and I will forward your questions to
our speakers so we don't get too many at one time, also, only
send it one time -- I will get it :)
[JannyW] My partner & I both have Fms and a host of other
invisible chronic illnesses ... it really does get tiring hearing
everyone say "geez, you look great!" when you hurt
so much you can barely move
[Maureen_Pratt(Q)] One man hit my car with his fist because
he didn't think I had "any business" waiting for a
handicap parking space!
GUEST_LisaCopen(A) --- Ack! He hit your car?? I have a friend
who's convertible had the windshield smashed with a note left
behind, as if someone with an illness couldn't have a convertible.
He was in his 40s and a walking miracle with cystic fibrosis.
[Laura_Beth(C)] I can remember when I was still functional
without a wheelchair. I could no longer push a heavily filled
grocery cart and had to have someone go with me to lift the
bags and push the cart, and I was talked about by many ladies
in the neighbor hood. It hurt.
[varnold(C)] The people in my life that "really care"
I send them info to educate them about my illnesses. They read
it and try to learn if they really care.
[Godsgrace] I got your book Maureen and i read it in there...wow
[Lynnette(C)] When I have a "good day" people think
I'm suddenly well, then on a bad day it's like I'm "faking
it"
[bluefinch(C)] I have multiple illnesses and have small family,
coworkers don't understand or care, I keep it inside mostly.
I just smile and pretend I am ok.
Host_Mary_Shep --- Please refrain from using the Send box --
please use the Ask box and I will forward your questions to
our speakers so we don't get too many at one time, also, only
send it one time -- I will get it
[River(Q)] I tend to keep it inside. My husband does so much
in the way of caring for me and I don't want to burden him further.
And my mother, like LRae says, asks "What do you do all
day?"
[bydls(A)] I know it sounds silly... but sometimes I find that
humor helps.when asked what i do all day- sometimes I have answered
I am a profesional patient! By the time I take my meds, and
take care of myself , doc appointments etc- It is 5 oclcock!
I hate to sound "cheesy" and "plug" my
own essay-- but to be perfectly honest- that is why i wrote
it. I STILL after all these years- send the link to family and
friends once a year.
http://www.butyoudontlooksick.com/the_spoon_theory/
[Alice(C)] My family and children don't seem to accept the fact
that i am sick - because i look fine.
GUEST_LisaCopen --- I think we all can agree that when total
strangers doubt our illness it hurts. But when those we love
the most doubt it, it Really hurts. People aren't perfect and
not every spouse is willing to go to counseling or talk to someone
about it.
Host_Mary_Shep --- we have plenty of questions for our speakers,
please hold your questions until we open the Ask box again Thank
You
[Joanna(Q)] What have you done about friends who don't believe
you when your pain fluctuates or who give you a hard time about
cancelling plans, have you tried to explain your situation to
them, or just move on and be thankful for the people who are
supportive?
[craftingrama(Q)] alot of times I bring my cane with me even
if I don't need it just to shut people up
[bydls(A)] I have done that too- as if LOOKING sicker will
stop people from judging. sad but true. You know the expression-
we are our worst critics.... well I do think that is true. I
think we focus on things that many others may not. I had a lupus
rash once on my face and I had someone say to me how good I
looked with such rosey cheeks!
GUEST_LisaCopen --- It can be helpful to take a friend or a
spouse to a doctor's appointment with you sometimes. I know
my husband didn't go to an appointment with me for about 10
years until I had surgery and he had to drive me there for a
followup since I had a cast on. It opened up his eyes a little
more just to meet the doctor and see where I went and what I
dealt with. How the treatment really is this Big plan to create
a life that is acceptable while juggling the medications.
[Hope(Q)] Don't you think that sometimes we feel like people
are looking at us and criticizing us when they actually are
not? I know when I had to use a wheelchair at a class reunion,
I felt like I had a blazing zit on the end of my nose.
[bbaynham1(Q)] others comments don't hurt much, but when my
husband doesn't understand, it kills my spirit
GUEST_LisaCopen(A) --- I think the words "kills my spirit"
is exactly the right way to describe it. My heart goes out to
you. If there is anyway to encourage him to attend a support
group with you or go to the doctor with you... that could help.
When I led a HopeKeepers group it tended to be a lot of women
who were ill, but spouses came and had their own prayer time
and they needed to be together longer than we did. I think especially
for men.... they don't talk about that kind of thing at the
water cooler at work like women may.
[bydls] I think men often want to Fix things- and if they can't
fix our pain- they eel lost and helpless.
[sharon_stobbe(Q)] i lose my job because i'm sick.what can
i do ?
[bydls(A)] Are you in the US? have you looked into disability?
or other services?
[new(Q)] My church said no HopeKeepers til maybe February. How
do I convince them some people desperately need this NOW, not
6 months from now.
[bydls(A)] Just brainstorming here..... but, Maybe there is
a way to gather a list of people who want it. Without being
pushy or invading people's privacy. But that way maybe if the
church sees a need... they will be quicker to act on it. Like
if 20 people want it as opposed to 5. etc
Host_Mary_Shep --- If you have a question or a comment for
either me or the speaker, please use the Ask box. We have about
15 minutes left
[bydls] Another funny thing- about invisible illnesses- I find
that even when I feel good, or fine-- it really isn't comparable
to others who might feel Great on good days.... my good- is
not the same as others good, etc
[oceansdreams(Q)] I've tried to explain cfs to my friends and
family using the spoon theory but they still don't get it and
think thier life is worse. and it just makes me feel even worse
i'd give up everything to be healthy again and start crossing
things off my "to do list". I can block out the comments
when it's a stranger but not when it's a loved one, how can
I, i block their comments out too???
GUEST_LisaCopen(A) --- Well... I'm plugging my book now... but
I wrote "Why Can't I Make People Understand? Discovering
the Validation Those with Chronic Illness Seek and Why."
to address this area where I saw so many people struggling.
It's completely a Christian-based book, however, so know that
in advance. Overall, I think that we just CAN'T make people
understand, and that's what we have to come to terms with. Because
we can't change other people. I think it's important to note
that we don't understand what others are going through either,
we just learn how to empathize and give what we can (listening,
prayer, calls to encouage, etc.) If you have a relationship
with the Lord, it's good to be grounded in that - He'll always
listen. And after that I think it's important to seek out others
who have an illness who can kind of be a friend or a mentor.
It only takes one person who "gets it" to really mkae
a difference. Make sure it's someone who can "build you
up" though and that "you can encourage," not
someone who will bring you down. Find someone mature in his
or her illness who is willing to walk alongside you. Having
these 2 things will make the other comments less important.
Sometimes you also just have to set healthy boundaries and learn
to keep the most valuable friendships; you can't be all things
to all people any more. And you may even have to limit some
of the family activities if people are hurtful for you. A counselor
can help you decide what boundaries are healthy and how to approach
certain situations.
[bydls] I couldn't agree more Lisa. We all need to set boundaries
of the healthy, positive people in our lives- and those who
aren't. It is hard to make those choices- but very necessary.
GUEST_LisaCopen --- New: (about Hk group) I don't see why you
couldn't just get a group of "friends" together privately
and have some time together... we also have community Hopekeepers
groups. You may not want to set it up with that and burn any
bridges with the church though. Churches run like a business
a lot of times (especially the large ones) and it can be frustrating
because they have seasons for certain curriculum such as when
new groups start. I wouldn't see any problem with just having
people get together anywhere and talk about what they even want
from a group. You could call it a planning/preparation time
so that you make sure you are meeting the needs when the group
"officially" starts. Holidays can be a hard time,
so you're right--who needs to wait?
[psalm121(Q)] Christine, I just read your spoon theory and
it brought tears to my eyes. Thanks for putting it in words
for others to understand, I can so relate.
[bydls(A)] Wow. Thank you so much for the kind words. it is
amazing what positive, creative things can sometimes come out
of pain. I remember writing it when I was so lonely and feeling
like no one understood me. Now thousands of others use my writing
to help their families and friends... it has been a HUGE blessing.
[Maureen_Pratt(C)] When I was first diagnosed, I lost a lot
of relationships. The ones that remain, and the new ones, are
so wonderful because at least they try to understand. It can
be very stressful to always try to hide how we're really feeling,
especially if we're in a terrible flare.
GUEST_LisaCopen(A) --- True! We had the men meet with us too
and then break off for a separate prayer time.
[Alice(Q)] Lisa, with my HopeKeepers group, it helped to have
the "caregivers" in the same room as when we studied,
comments others made about their illness help the caregivers
to know "they weren't the only ones going through so much."
[Lynnette(Q)] I can SO relate to that bydls....most people
would think my BEST days were miserable days to them
[bydls(A)] It is all relative. On my husbands good days he
is superman and can do a thousand things- on my good days- I
can get out of bed and take care of the baby and maybe write
for my site.
[River(Q)] Looking sicker doesn't help if it means you're pasty-faced
and tired. Then people just move away from me and stare as if
"how dare I go out in public when I'm sick".
GUEST_LisaCopen(A) --- Good point! When my face swelled up
so my eyes were shut from a lupus-like flare" I tried to
cover it with my hair at the waiting room at ER. I felt like
I would scare small children. Having those moments CAN make
us appreciate the invisible factor huh?
[Godsgrace(Q)] Where do you fit in with an illness? I know
I am having a pretty tough time finding good people to be around.
[bydls(A)] Ya know, it is funny but the more we talk and communicate
with others around us- the more we find we have smething in
common. wether it is movies or tv, or hobbies like scrapbooking
etc.... but also- once I start talking about my lupus, fibro,
etc-- I find most people have something invisible that they
are dealing with either themselves or a close family member...
it is a smaller world then we realize sometimes.
Host_Mary_Shep --- Please hold all questions, our speakers
are going to have a few more minutes to answer the ones they
have already got in queue -- thank you for your questions
[QuietSoul51(Q)] I've thought about asking our church to put
out a survey asking the church members to indicate if they have
chronic illnesses just to see what kind of numbers we have in
the church.
GUEST_LisaCopen(A) --- perfect idea! See other ideas here in
an article I wrote about 6 Ways your church Can Let Those with
Chronic Illness Know They Care
http://www.faithwriters.com/article-details.php?id=44192 I think
that's the right link - if not just put the title into google.
[horseladyjane(C)] I honestly don't think I'll be on my deathbed
wishing I kept a cleaner house but It does bother me
[bbaynham1(Q)] how can i get a HopeKeepers group started
GUEST_LisaCopen(A) --- See http://www.restministries.org/pro-hk_start.htm
[inspiredbyfaith(Q)] i just wanted to let you know that when
i read the spoon theory last week; it was the best example of
explaining things i have ever heard. i shared it with my daughter
who shares this chronic illness with me; she absolutely loved
it. she said mom this explains what everyone else doesnt get
perfectly! she is age 14 and was touched by it to the point
of tears
[bydls(A)] Again, thank you so much! I think the reason why
the story is so relatable to young and old- is that it is simple
to understand when you use something basic- like a spoon. and
when you make it something tangable- when they are taken away.
I actually wrote the story in college so I was pretty young
at the time- I think that helps it relate to younger people
too. When I hear from people that the story, or my website have
helped people- it makes me feel that maybe there was a greater
purpose to my getting sick....
[new(Q)] The thing is the church seem so focused on making
it perfect. And they have too many other projects going on right
now they said. I offered to help run it, and I was asked What
makes me qualified to do such a thing. I told them because I
live it, but that wasn't a good enough answer I guess.
GUEST_LisaCopen(A) --- Email me privately if you want later
at rest@restministries.org - a lot of churches respond this
way. We might be able to help with some ideas/answers
[heal(Q)] Is there a hopekeepers meeting that can be done online
- like this is being done
GUEST_LisaCopen(A) --- Yes, there is one! See http://www.restministries.org/pro-hkonline.htm
[JannyW(C)] wonderful ideas, Lisa :)
[new(Q)] What do you say when someone from church emails you
asking for you to sign up to provide a meal for a family who
is adopting, when meanwhile you can't even handle making your
own meals cause you are on chemo. I guess cause I have all my
hair my treatments ain't real. Seriously, I was asked the other
day. Perhaps I should just shave my head, lol
[bydls(A)] Honestly may be the best policy. I have had this
happen to me when my church, school and even family has asked
me to participate in different projects etc. I have simply responde.
Thank you for asking me to help. i normally would love to, but
right now due to my lupus, cancer, arthritis etc, I am finding
it difficult to keep up with my own responsibilities. I wish
you great success, and I will let you know when I am well enough
to participate.
Host_Mary_Shep --- Well, our hour has come to an end -- let's
thank our speakers, Lisa and Christine for a wonderful hour
with such great ideas and suggestions -- and for the wonderful
reading material as well! our guest will be closing with a couple
more thoughts
[craftingrama(Q)] how do you handle the churchs that don't
like to have handicapped ppl period in their church as it shows
a lack of faith
GUEST_LisaCopen(A) --- I wish I had more time to answer this...
but to be honest, it has to start from the top. Leadership has
to see it as some kind of priority. Sometimes an individual
can make a significant difference in a church, but sometimes
it's like hitting your head on a wall. Joni and Friends www.joniandfriends.org
has some great ways (and people who will go the church) and
start communication too.
Host_Mary_Shep --- please hold your applause :)
[bydls] This was wonderful. Thank you for the opportunity.
It was an honor to be apart of this project. Good luck with
the rest of the week!!! For anyone who did not get a chance
to have their questions answered etc- please feel free to contact
me through my site, butyoudontlooksick.com- I would be happy
to answer anything I can. Lisa- you are an amazing woman! Keep
up the great work and have a wonderful, successful week!
[heal] Thank you so much - this has been sorely needed!
Host_Mary_Shep --- (I will be staying after to go over how
the room works for anyone who is a visitor and would like a
little more information)
[p.j(Q)] how or what could we all do- in our churches-- to
get our needs known , or to be a blessing to others that are
probably in the same boat and we don't even know it? Ask pastor
if we could start a chronic illness support group?
GUEST_LisaCopen(A) --- I would start with the article I mentioned
above. There is also a great article for women's ministries
I just wrote for Jennifer Rothschild's ezine and we've had a
lot of women very excited. You may want to email the women's
ministry leaders a copy. see www.womensministry.net, on the
far right, ezine#375
[Hope(C)] Many years ago, I was involved in a support group
for caregivers of elderly parents. This was a tremendous blessing
to each of us, and I know it made us better caregivers of our
parents. We found in this group that many of the folks we thought
we "knew" everything about grappled with problems
that were "invisible" to the rest of us.
GUEST_LisaCopen --- Wow :) Whew!
Host_Mary_Shep --- while I think our speakers are finishing
up on any last questions, we would like to thank all who came
out this afternoon for the session --
Transcripts will be available in 2-3 weeks.
Next Speaker: Carmen Leal, "How To Shamelessly Get What
You Need When No One Seems To Care"; beginning at 4pm Eastern.
Lisa and Christine, Thank You for your time today it was very
informative and helpful!
GUEST_LisaCopen --- Thank you all so much for coming and O
hope we were able to address some topics about invisible illness
and answer some of your questions. I am really excited about
the guests we have this week, especially Scott Davis tonight,
who is an attorney.
Thank you to everyone who has been a part of this week already
and all it's preparation. our newest Ezine Update is at
http://www.mychronicillness.com/invisibleillness/update2.htm
it was sent out yesterday, but we "overflowed" on
our mail allowed, so there are about 2000 people it will be
going out to in the next hour.
I wish I could stay longer. I have to pick up my son at preschool
in about 10 minutes. Christine, I don't know How you typed like
that with 1 hand. Thank you for being a part of this too. I
couldn't have done it without you!
[bydls] anytime Lisa!!!!
Host_Mary_Shep --- thank you both!
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